i agree with a lot of what 1arm says, you are only doing this cause oc11 is catching up to you and you are now thinking of ways to bring us back down....its the way its always been....even before you were both in that crew, you talk about how crews can 'manuipluate' battles......we didnt choose or pick who we battle, we actually tried to battle other crews at the time but ended up with champs on one occasion then S&W on the other........no one has control who they battle.....james said it was changed to help match bigger crews together so maybe thats why we ended up with them.....as for db day.....i have never bought cp for real money either.....the community has always done db day and will probably continue regardless but it shouldnt be a way for crews to gain advantage on rankings.....i am not here for rankings but for fun of game and peeps in my crews is why im still here...anyway peace out

Sorry I don't have time to comment exactly as I would like to, I am too busy buying bombs for double day - my altruism is forcing me to do it !!!

And to add before i close this post that means players like 1 arm cannot read the suggestion above

"We can all do the maths as to how many battles the smaller crews must do and.......... win them all to match the 50k from the larger crew battle."

Confused you are as i have made mention in countless threads its for the smaller crews who have no chance against the big crew battles, yes that affects our crew and your crew and all others, but No 1 crew ranking is not my game i really don't care.

But there Mr 1 arm goes again you are not hearing what you want to hear , and frankly i am also done we leave it as it is and everyone can suffer period and that includes you

Thanks too all for your comments

now i am confused ..I know that easy to do ..confuse me

you don't care about any #1 status ... so why did you start this thread? Only reason I can see is fear of your first place ranking. you don't care about any status and bee says many benefit from the bomb floors ..altruistic. not caring about status laudable... so if it stops counting for crew stats that all goes out the window? no more altruism ... you do care about status

it more seems to me you want ranking system tailored to keep your #1 status that you don't care about ... stop SW from closing the gap with battle scores and keep your bomb floor scores.

when i first saw this i thought you were trying to make the ranking system more fair for everyone, but now i see it for what it is .. and i have to admit i am not shocked. lol

so bomb floors are not to help other players and they are absolutely FOR status that you care nothing about ...now that sounds more like "ALL IN" thinking. Never mind replying I am done here. I lost my hip waders.... no votes from me

Comment taken @cookycustard i also never said stop double day, quite the opposite, what i am saying it will stop/ become half of what we see via default. Those players who spend real money for CPs to have bomb floors on double will stop spending the amount they do as of now and may even stop completely. I for 1 who actually does not spend any money on CPs and provides a double day floor will stop, as again its my opinion that i will not see the reason for it, as i couldn't careless about the status. My bomb floor with bee is around 300 bombs that the community as a whole will lose in terms of items gained.

The comment around global yes that is for another discussion, as well as the constant badgering by players that hold grudges against each other. Quite frankly Cas are just titles that earn monthly citizenship for doing..... nothing and that is the reason the game is where it is. Dramatics should be left for Broadway and lets enjoy the game immaterial of things we might feel is not right.

I don't think anyone is saying stop double xp day. I am sure people will still be able to fill their floors and gain their own experience for their own gratification on those days. It's like people who said to me couple months back "oh what am I paying citizenship for if I can't have a bigger bomb score" those people are still paying for citizenship as they still like the personal perks that go with it!
Citizens and those that buy CP will still pay for CP to do the things they have always done regardless of crew rankings because they like the status it gives them or the rewards it can buy.

I think if James would like a tip on how to increase profits then really the problem lies in the way that new players are spoken to in global. I am constantly seeing players attacked for asking questions or for saying something that gives other players the assumption they are not a new player... but that is a totally off topic, different world discussion.

Amazing comments but yes ok i agree with you rob in that vein so there u have it , i wanted that to be a different discussion , but ok cool its here so here goes , bombs and how much real money 1 can spend should not be part of XPs gained towards crew ranking, that's a given. I believe that James looks at the suggestion topic at hand not something added on, that yes in this case may be paramount to the same thing. What is so funny is that some have been in our crew and now have blinkers on that say that i am against what you are commenting on , i don't and never have, when they were part of this crew they were happy with the state of affairs aiding the collection and NEVER having a say.... but i will leave that there. I am here to No 1 enjoy the game and quite frankly could not care about any No 1 status whatever it maybe, win battles / lose battles that's the way it goes the sun will rise tomorrow, some should take that and heed to it instead of trying to destroy everything that is good about the game, due to historical grudges ITS a game and we should always remember that.

What i do need to add to this is James run's a business that needs to pay its way , and part of his cash cow is players buying CPs , now this is where the problem lies , a major portion of his income is players that purchase real money CPs to have bomb floors on double day many do it not only ALL IN. Does anyone here really think James will stop that? Because frankly if he does double day will be a thing of the past at the level it now is and secondly will we have a game in a couple of years time?

I have never seen a multi million dollar company fire the top earning sales person due to lesser sales persons complaining that they cannot match the top earners income?

We have to all be aware of that if we want this game to still be here for our enjoyment in years to come.

I completely agree with rob. And anyone who watches monthly ranking knows why you want to say xp is off topic even tho its so clearly not. We dont have blinders on either.

actually this thread was about battles and how they effect ranking ... since bomb floors are also a ranking problem it makes sense to take that into consideration at the same time ... if James decides to make a change, may as well address both issues at the same time. If an overhaul is in order might as well fix both problems at the same time. I don't actually agree with the scenario in the original post and that is why a discussion of different options is a good thing. I did remove my votes ..if we are only going to look at half the problem ...

the idea that the current ranking system is wrong for battles is very valid and should be fixed, however millions of xps for bomb floors is an equal or even worse problem. The ranking should not be about who spends the most money or who buys the most bombs .. that's silly and leaves out more people and crews from competing then battles do. Most here cannot spend endless cash to help with their ranking.

So despite the thought that we should not look at the entire problem as a whole ...i think its imperative that we do exactly that so James can do a revamp once instead of twice ...once for battles and once for bomb floors..

We have No BLINKERS on start a new suggestion and we will have comments there , the funny thing is we are with your suggestion that is a given, my suggestion was BATTLE crew ranking points not DOUBLE day crew ranking points. Get it going @babychels and 1arm and i will make my comments there.

We need to start another thread I think about this topic. If no one can bring
Up dbl day xps going towards crew points then something is wrong. This is one of the major factors in straightening things up and making it (fair) for ALL crews.

yes ...of course ..lets dare not try to fix more then one thing ..lets put blinders on and ignore rest

1arm, I do not want to enter into a bun fight as I find that rather tacky but my reply to your comment was purely to draw your attention to the fact that we are not only a bombing crew, besides hosting amazing parties on double day from which many others benefit, we are also a strong battling crew. NBGT is a fantastic battling crew & have deservedly beaten us all 4 battles we have come up against them so, sure, i do agree let them be first on battle wins. However, the purpose of this thread, which was actually made by one of our own crew members, was to put a cap on battle xps to make it fair for smaller crews to gain rankings fairly & equally in battles. Should anybody wish to post a suggestion regarding the double day point system we can all have our say there, let's keep this thread on topic.

l can't vote on this thread cause l can't agree with the suggestion. However, l do see 1 comment made by Rob on juli 16 at 21.05 that l do totally agree on.
Making crew scores in battles / wars the average score of all participants is the way to go. l do realize this benefits smaller crews more as bigger crews cause it's easier to get 3 people to score high then it is to get a 100 people to score high but in my opinion that's a good thing.
We would probably see bigger crews split up in smaller crews so that they aren't in a disadvantage in battles.
As it is now there are very few crews that battle. lf the bigger crew that like to battle split up we end up with more crews that like to battle and that would be great cause then we would not have to battle the same few crews over and over again.
l think if we end up with lots of smaller crews that regularly battle it's better for all the people that love to battle. More Battling crews would be great for the general vibe l think cause l'm getting very bored getting the same 2 or 3 crews every battle

i sort of reread my comments ...i cant find anywhere that i said your crew was weak Bee ... did not even mean to imply that. But here is the thing ...if we use your criteria as to why you should be first ... then lets take Nuthing But Good Times ... 90% win rate with 7 war winners with 1/3 the entries of your crew ...and didnt they just beat you guys in battle a couple of times .... so guess they must be pretty strong too ...if oc11 cant be first with most wins and we going by % ...good times should be first.

Interesting comments Rob but just to clarify your last point about crew strength - I think the fact that the crew in top place has won 88% of their battles played & has had either 3,4, or 5 members in the top 10% of the last 5 wars pretty much indicates their strength! lol..

after some more thought ... rank points for battle could be an average .... that way would not even have to match up numbers ...a 3 player crew could battle all 100 of the bigger crews and the average score would be all that mattered. Then points for rank could be added as they are now ...your crew averages 20K each for a battle, your award would be 5K .... this eliminates the 100 person crew advantage.... for xps ...maybe no xps awarded anytime someone is at 2x ...this would go a long way to making it a bit more fair.

There are several things wrong with ranking system, do I have a solution..no I don't. But allowing a crew to BUY their way to first by doing bomb floors is clearly wrong no matter how you stack it. Having crews scoring more crew points for LOSING then another crew does for WINNING is clearly stupid. Having a crew that wins maybe half the time ...ahead of a crew that wins 75% of the time is also clearly stupid.100 person crews have been the downfall of the site rank wise since it was allowed. There is NO way to make a ranking system fair when comparing a 100 person crew to a 3 person crew. You could take the 3 highest scorers ever in casino history and put them in a crew and have them battle 4 times a week ..win every time and they will not be able to keep up with a 100 person crew ....or another crew who do a dozen bomb floors on double day. Being able to BUY bombs is no indication your crew is any better then someone else's crew. The crew with the MOST wins is not in first. Why? and fixing battles so that a large crew battles another large crew so that a large jump in crew points should already have been stopped. they don't care if they win or lose because the jump in crew points is more then the rest of the crews can score if they win. Again ...I don't see a way to fix it ...i only know that currently it is extremely unfair to all the crews that don't have 100 members and/or don't do tons of bomb floors. REALLY is the number of bombs you drop any indication of crew strength? lol ..

Love that idea Taz! Sounds like a good plan for ranking and on monthly basis so battles might become a more prominent feature again. Not sure if we would or not but i like the idea regardless hehe :D