now the battle/war system is not the correct method. now i am curious why that is. someone was ok with it when they was out numbering other crews in battles but it isnt fun when the rabbit has the gun. of course it will be changed now as it has every single time she has complained about it.

no im positive that it is you who is slow im sure in life as you are in the game. maybe you would be better at hop scotch or something. but dont concern yourself with what i do

Bobby I understand you might be a bit slow so I will type this as slow as possible. This thread is for NEW BATTLE RULES, not unfair crew scoring. If you don't like the scoring start a new thread, or find one that is similar

no you are very much mistaken. the top 2 crews has the score they now have from the first scoring system which was based on total experience. i know because i was on pg the entire time that they made these points they have now. however many of these points came from the bar at which time pg and 20/20 was using it during battle but then 20/20 complained and the bar could no longer be used.they still have those points as they have the points from the last scoring system when the 2 top crews battled under the last scoring system almost everyone on the site dropped for 1 of the 2 crews during this time. they still have those points as well. you however have never participated in a battle and thats another fact. you may be getting off the topic but i am not and once again i was not the one who brought up "pay to win". doing chip races and missions have nothing to do with pay to win however you are not allowed to score as we have before with them. once again if you want to get off the topic thats on you but i am still on that topic

Individual experience does not translate into crew experience. Therefore the top 5 crews in experience are from crew experience.

Dropping bombs to advance your individual experience does not count as crew experience.

This conversation is getting way off topic, it's supposed to be "New Battle Rules"

yes bar only 1 person i know that has complained every time a new system was put into play and anyone that has kept up with it knows who this is. i suppose it is fair to give the top cpl of crews all these points from what is now being called a unfair system. if it is unfair why are these cpl of crews being rewarded for it? if isnt suppose to be pay to win why do we have a option to buy gold? can anyone answer that question honestly?

I know very little about the whole scoring and crews etc etc but an idea that may work to help all is to have seasons. A season ranking with perhaps trophies awarded to top crews in the season gives everyone a target and an overall ranking (hall of fame) to give some reward for the long time players over all seasons. Perhaps have a season take 6 months.

It sounds like Amanda wants all crew stats reset every time a new crew is created. Am I right?

Amanda, you say it's fair to start scoring all over again but your wrong. lt would be very unfair to the older crews who have earned there ranking on previous achievements. The older crews have worked very hard to be where they are now and you want to erase all that by starting the scoring at 0. You have absolutly no idea what fair means!

As ChelseaDT said, "The game was never supposed to be "pay to win" and was supposed to be fair for all , regardless of if you have brought gold or not. The new system allows every players a fair opportunity. Would having the battles based on levels scare off newer players, yes."

Can we please stop the I spent money on the game so it owes me my way now?
Because truthfully there are players who spent tens of thousands of dollars and pounds on this game, plus spent the past 2.5 years with it who aren't complaining.

it is not buying a battle the new system is 100% luck. if we are going to battle with this method why not just draw for high card and it will be much faster. i am not battling anymore with this method and i notice very few are and very seldom

This new battle system bites it. I do not like my score by chance, if I bust my behind during battle I want my score to reflect that, but this way my score never changed, so why even bother to do anything but the initial set of task. This is the biggest bs system I have ever seen.

To be clear here, you think a 60 day old crew with 8 members should have more crew experience than a 460 day old crew with 19? I'm not trying to be biased, just trying to figure out the logic. And it does suck that you can't buy a battle anymore

What "should be" means nothing. No action taken from those words.However to be fair for all is not changing the rules around on people who has so much invested in the way the rules were. You say should be fair for all but this is not fair for those of us who have been in the game for a long period of time. The buying gold option has and has been here since I got here and I do not see that changing either. I suppose that's fair to all that people who buy gold advances at a huge rate over those who don't. I do not here about the fairness in that.

i think it is good to leave bombs out of battles but go back to the battle rules before the average and keep the challenges in

Yes its really unfair to change the rule, and make them rectro actif , I dont hate the idea of the new battles give everyone a chance ( luck is a big factor in these new battles ) , what I suggest,battle only 12hr , leave the war as is , no average ,mission bomb ,Let the hard core player battle it out ,tho make scoring worth while . Make the war a event ,where crew will advance,

OK - time for my two cents and I believe I am entitled to same based on the THOUSANDS of dollars I have invested on this site since January.
When I came to this site you had game rules. It was therefore logical to assume that by following these rules I would ascend up the ladder in one or more respects -- and I did. However, my motivation was NOT in my individual capacity but the team I was on. I decided early on that I was not the MISSIONARY type but others on our team were. Therefore, I perceived my role as financier. I would buy gold to buy bombs to support our missionaries. This was NOT cheap but it was worth the thrill when O-11 overcame the crews that had ruled the roost on this site since its inception. This resulted in a shake-up on the site which I think was good for everyone. Crews realigned and, in fact, O-11 broke up and new crews were spawned, including the one I am on now. Once again I followed your rules and bought gold to buy bombs to win battles and our new team was in 8th place until last Friday. That's when you pulled the rug out from under us and rewrote your rule book with RETROACTIVE application.

In the legal field, this is a NO NO. This is because what you did was tantamount to passing a law "ex post facto". Now I don't think there was any ulterior motive on any of your parts but that's not the point. When you are playing video games on your X-box or Playstation or WII, you gain game points by playing by the rules. I am sure many of you on Casinorpg have had that experience. What would you think if you ascended to the top of the Call of Duty Video game as an on-line player only to be told by Microsoft that you lost your spot because they changed their on-line rules and applied them retroactively? I dare any of you, including you Chelsea -- to tell me that you believe such an action by Microsoft would be acceptable. The fact that Casinorpg is not Miscrosoft is irrelevant. You have an obligation to your customers/clients to play by your own rules. There is absolutely NO WAY the rankings should have been changed retroactively. The fair thing would have been to zero every crew out and start over. However, I have no problem with you retroactively adjusting the standings, as long as you are prepared to REFUND me and the other members on our O-11 and Red Hot Tamale crews the money we paid you retroactive to the time I came on this site. In otherwords, you can't pick and choose what you decide to tweak. If you are going to benefit power gamers and 20/20 with the retroactive scoring, then we are entitled to be reimbursed for the money we thought we were spending to rise in the rankings. It is as simple as that. My comments in this regard are not intended as an attack on Power Gamers or 20/20 because I suspect they were equally upset when you changed the rules mid-stream on them.

In addition, when we first came over to this site, we were led to believe that leveling up was the thing to do. Many of us spent hours doing the repetitive missions over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over --------- to try to climb up the ranks. Your new scoring rules have essentially made leveling meaningless. My sister already addressed this issue in a prior comment so I won't belabor the point.

In addition, under the new rules and precisely because of your retroactive readjusting of the crews, how in the world do you think our current crew can accumulate enough XP's to pass anyone in the top 8? This is particularly since it appears we are getting nominal XP credit when we win battles compared to what we were getting before.

In addition, and from what I was told, alot of the scoring points on this site before I came aboard, was a result of non-crew members bombing for crews in a battle. You were aware of this and decided to rectify this loop-hole by preventing non-crew members from bombing for crews engaged in a battle. I know from my own personal knowledge that at least two of the top 8 teams in your recalculated standings derived their scores from this practice yet you are now rewarding them by making this count.

So, in conclusion -- with your new rules, you did what you thought was a right and just thing BUT in implementing these rules you created an unfair and inequitable result for me and my crew members and other crews and members too. The solution -- clear all the scoring in all the battles and start over again with your new rules. It is only THEN that all avis will be equal and will have a fair chance. If you want to make it equitable and just for all the avis, this is your only solution. If not, I would expect a full refund.

Sincerely,

JosieO

Chelsea, if it was so important that battles should be FAIR to ALL players and scored evenly, WHY didn't all the crews start out at 0 with the new rules in effect? This way NO HIGH LEVEL avis would be at an advantage for any crew.

I didnt say being a higher level should not unlock more for you but in battles no. The battles should be fair to all levels of player. Otherwise whats the point in the lower levels or new players joining crews or infact making new ones if people who have been playing longer gain advantages in battle.

I have made plenty of investments too but to make the game better not to have advantages over other people to the point where it becomes boring.

Advantages in game yes i can agree with , advantages in battles no. They should be fair for all players regardless of if they buy gold or not.

I disagree with you as well. Maybe you can tell me what being at a higher level should get? Should it just be overlooked? The investments we made had been a help to us in battles but now it is removed.The biggest issue is that things aren't the way they were when we put all the time and cps into it. Maybe the game wasn't suppose to be "pay to play" but in order to advance at any type of a rapid rate it does cost to do so. If it wasn't pay to play why would you have options to purchase gold? As in being a citizen it cost to do so as well. If it wasn't suppose to be there why is it? How would the site survive if no one supported it as in purchasing gold?