I am currently conflicted with the games new crew score calculations too.
The last battle between 20/20 and Spinners proves that something just
isn't right. 15 people decimated a crew w/ 90+ players in a battle, yet Spinners
seems to overwhelmingly get a higher crew score everyday due to their sheer size. I feel that
a smaller crew cap could help eliminate the fact that the largest crews can just waltz right up
the ranks, without pulling their weight.
The smaller crews will have to battle non-stop to just keep up, while the size of Spinners for
example, would make it so they don't even need to compete to take the number one spot.
Don't get me wrong, I don't need to be number one, but when my crew mates and I have
worked around the clock, it is reassuring to have that sense of accomplishment reflect our
score. Even then, in non battle mode it is almost a must to log in around the clock to do
missions and dailies so we aren't letting the others down. I know this is just a game but it's
starting to feel like a job. It is a shame to see members leaving crews due to this. I
understand the fact to be in the top u need to pull your weight but being so outnumbered it
really is squeezing out the smaller crews and casual players that have a life outside of this
game. I believe there has to be a happy medium somewhere...something needs to change.
The last war was wonky as well... one player defeating all the crews...wow.
Thank you for taking the time to read my comment, I appreciate all the hard work that has
gone into this game.

What's the point of running an expensive crew for a long time when i am seeing all my effort from the beginning have compromised with the new rules. Crews' have fought for the position with previous scoring system and achieved the success by spending months after months. And now it's wasted !

In any real life event or an institution, if there is a change to come, it usually effective from a date with no impact on previous achievement. My point is, Casino RPG is working really hard for more development of the game but those who have helped in this journey by playing, why would they will be the victim?

So, My suggestion is, you have to update for betterment of the game and we appreciate but it will be a good gesture to keep the achievement as it is for those who have achieved until the update and helped through out the journey.

I wish Casino RPG will do better in future as it did earlier...!!! :)

Ok, let's take the focus off gold completely, that was never the purpose of my post. Taking that out, Amanda still had very valid points that I hope aren't overlooked because you are offended. Leaving crews to better the crews is what is happening as a result of the system in play. That is what this is about. I love my crew. I love all the members and am very upset that we have already lost some, and more might leave, due to this system. No one can argue that the top crews have worked to get there... Until this new system caused a shift that escalated other crews to the top without putting in the work. Just by size alone. I appreciate that you are looking into it and reading these comments, but we all want the same thing, happy members. Please don't take our views and opinions as personal attacks. You told me once about how you always want to hear what we think and this is the place to do so. There is no reason to be offended.

Sypress is right and crews are changing so much everday. I am so disappointed in the current scoring system, and everyday we lose ground as a crew. I have been tempted to boot the newer members and the members that arent as active as the top 8-9 of us in our crew because it is bringing our average down so much, but I just cant do it because it is not their fault that the system is flawed. Our crew worked very hard for the last 9 months to get to 3rd and 4th position, but as soon as the system changed we were overtaken the next day by Spinners, and now we have dropped to 5th position, and the sad part is it is not from lack of very hard work. i guess that until the system is fixed, what is the point of putting in sleepless nights and spending a small fortune on gold when crews that dont put the effort in but have the numbers are ranked higher than us...

These accusations that the changes are focussed on selling more gold are completely baseless, offensive and the exact opposite of what it means to give constructive feedback. Never once during the planning process did gold play a factor. All changes have been made in attempt to make gameplay more fun. I personally can't stand companies that only care about squeezing every last penny out of their players, and I don't consider you to be a game developer if that is your focus while planning new features. All I want is to make the game as fun as possible, which means I am on your side and not an enemy.

I honestly like the new battle/war scoring Its the scoring for ranks that really bothers me We battled Spinners and had 4 times their score yet they are going to take over top position because they have 100 members. And Im not putting down Spinners but I guaranty PG & 20/20 the top 2 crews and many other crews for that matter are working/playing harder doing missions, getting xp, bombing, everything we can, yet we cant compete with a team that plays casually just because they have 100 members!?! That to me is crazy. We don't have a chance to keep our ranking because 15 cant compete with 100 what is the point I've spent a fortune on this game cuz I love it but yes I too am thinking of going crewless and just enjoying playing poker and building casinos because I am very competitive and dont like losing esp when I know I'm giving it my all and the people winning are not. That is way too frustrating I dont know the answer but something more with averaging out the players scores cuz I guaranty everyone in my crews score is higher than everyone in spinners so how can they outrank us? That is not right! We stomped them in battle but they outrank us. I play this game 24 hours straight many times with no sleep. So that part doesnt bother me. Im willing to do that but if Im doing that our rank should show it. Im wicked addicted to this game and really enjoy it but you definitely changed something with the way you are scoring rankings. You cant say you didn't. Its obvious and you got the wrong teams headed to the top and everyone sees and knows it. I hope u do something about it soon before all the crews do break up. Its already started.

The idea behind averaging the scores isn't trying to make every crew equal, it is trying to represent the overall crew.

I feel what Sypress is saying... some of us do have jobs and just because we can't make it because of that reason and we get punished for it ,,, is WRONG. Also what if we get sick and can't be on .. that is wrong.. take 3's for example .. if this scoring was going on when he passed and yall punished him for not being here .. wouldn't you feel like crap . Think of the crews and the fun we have and now there is no fun ..its more about gold and scoring than it is about people and there feelings. Not sure about anyone else but without the people there is no gold and no scoring. And for a one man crew to beat a crew of 20 is really ridiculous , do you think if we were playing football that one person could score a touch down against a team of 20 . NO... So please for the sake of people and the game reconsider and come up with something that works.

I think the averaging of scores is ridiculous i have no problem at all losing a battle if the other crew scored more xp. The averaging of scores i have an issue with whats next crew has less in the bank so take form other crews so all are even or cp that should all be equal as well right.

Today I lost my cat today and have been upset all day long. So as people are saying I feel obligated to come online and do missions to keep up the crew score and not to let anyone down. I personally do not like the way things are scored and that everyday life issues that I have effect my hard working crew mates.

I like the idea of average scoring, but there is a real disadvantage to the active players. My idea would be to take the Average of the crew plus the top 4 scorers of each crew in battle. In war the average like it is plus the top 8 scorers of each team. That would even out the scores and make it more interesting.

James, that would make perfect sense.... If you took out the bombs. Where is the strategy? Where is the fun? Sprints have xps that help the winner boost their scores. And the size of the crew is definitely part of the issue and one person also pointed out. Crew size and xp battles, that is what we are asking for. And where is the "fair" in a "newer" crew with 100 members at the top of the ranks, with no effort at all, while the actual Top Crews have put worked very hard to earn their places over a much longer period of time? People are upset. People are discouraged. People are leaving their crews.

I honestly don't see why all of you seem think changing to experience scoring would make a big difference. In reality, that wouldn't change the scoring much at all, at least not the outcomes. The issue always seems to revolve around the size of crews.

This change is in no way trying to make everyone a "winner." The idea is to make crew battles like real-world sports, where even the underdog has a chance to win. If you know the outcome before it even starts, that just isn't any fun. Uncertainty and need for strategy is what makes things fun. Sprints are fun and have nothing to do with experience.

Disclaimer ....this is my opinion and not meant to offend or come down on anyone with that being said if it does offend i make no apologies because it is just that my opinion......This new system is so convoluted and over thought its beyond me how it could be instituted. To me it is very simple to fix cap crews at 25 members and battles are strictly xp scoring.

yes that is the truth it reminds of what they did to kids evryone must win and there are no losers evryone child will get a trophy. tha is what the new point system reminds me of. All the crews are broken now. Sypress has a fact that must be listeneb to

I voted and I totally agree Syp. You know I don't like pulling a 24 hour just to give my little crew a chance. I love battles but the current system sucks so hard. Last battle I didn't even try, didn't even feel like trying. Let's hope a positive change is on the way

I'm not shutting anything out, I clearly stated we read every bit of feedback and will continue to evaluate as we always have. What we won't do is make snap judgments and only focus on one perspective. The difficulty is taking into account all of the different perspectives, which has always been and will continue to be our goal.

On a different point, the way rankings are calculated hasn't changed at all. The only difference is that recent events are weighted a little more than they were before. This is to say that it's a perfect system, but there seems to be a misunderstanding that the ranking system has completely changed. As we said when we released these updates, this was just phase 1, and that more changes would be on the way based on the results. So, everyone please keep providing all of the constructive feedback, it's invaluable!

I did not intend to insult or offend, my apologies. However you need to see things from OUR perspective too. And if you claim that leaving bombs in has nothing to do with gold, I do not buy it. Regardless if personal opinions on the gold factor, please do not let that ONE detail distract from the MAIN purpose of this post. Fair scoring, Fair battles. That's the point. Listen to the comments. Listen to the rest of it. Don't shut it all out because you didn't like one thing i said. It's all I am asking. Thank you for reading.

To be honest, it is incredibly insulting to insinuate that any of these changes have had anything to do with gold. In fact, Gold and spending have never played a role in our brainstorming sessions for these crew changes. Everything has been based on feedback we've received and what we believe will make the game more fun.

It is impossible to please everyone, and no matter what changes we make, there will be a group that perceives it as unfair. The best that we can do is to minimize that feeling, and if more changes are necessary to make that happen, I believe we've clearly shown that we will continue to work towards that goal.

I feel the same about this issue. Many of us have full time jobs but can still put ip points only to have them robbed from us by inactivity due to work. I would like to see battles go back to the way they were. I understand that bombs are what they are and they are necessary. But if I cant work because I dont sleep then I cant buy gold.