I have been on this game coming up 7 years now as of October 4 2020 , I also am The Only One to Own there Own Plot to them self ( E12N1 ) WITH OUT any Trophy or Sign On a empty Lot showing People what they get if they do it to . I have Seen the war battles Change 2 times in the 6 years I been on the game. I always said it is in the level and % of the levels ( Yes Very Unfair Scores ) Imperial scores where the best when I 1st started to play , Though the scores where high and yes they did run in to each other . The Problem is the Players Levels and min bets , Buying there war by Buying CP,s for Bombs and they also used the Ex Bars and not XP,s out of Hotels . This is one big mess . This is why I give my crew a option if they like to play a battle or war , I some time do but not often because of just this . What is a trophy any ways a bribe to play a Battle or War we can not win . There is No chance for lower players or mid size players to com peat against 60 to 130 level players plus in this game . the score is leaned to them every time as the min bet is much higher witch will give them a better score

After this I will be done, lets not forget the players, that do a lot for their crews but do not want to battle? Then their are crews that just are not interested in battling? So those players should not get recognition for their hard work for the crew? That does not make sense to me, battling shouldn't be the only way to contribute, that is not fair at all. Or unless you battle your crew just cant compete? There are so many other things in this game besides battling. That is all. promise

and I wont even start on all the spinners I go through and just bug city, I go through rooms full! and slot scoring makes me wanna cry! for real!

Well I will say this, I agree that certain people are "buying the game" or at least it sure looks that way. I always try and give benefit of the doubt. That being said, think of it like this, lets say crew j, has 10 players, and crew y has 8, crew j plays 5 battles against crew y, but they only use 5 of their best battlers, crew j then wins 3/5 of the battles against crew y....should the entirety of the crew ranking then suffer because a small part of the crew won those 3/5 battles? Especially when they could have battled all their players, but chose only the best battlers, those available or that even wanted to battle? That is why battle is such a small percentage, there are a lot of other aspects to the game. Then there can be crews using that to their advantage as well, they may have 10 that can battle, but increase the odds of winning by only battling a small amount of their players, again that is why it is a small percentage. Also there is only so much time available for some to battle, I can see how some may feel if they win battles that they should move up, I disagree, unless there is a point A and point B that does not make any sense, unless and entire crew was consistently battling entire crews, make sense? Battle can go either way anytime, lots of luck involved as well, so again that is why it is a small percentage. There are so many factors, that can dictate a battle outcome, number of players, what players, time of day, spinners, slots, tons of unknowns, again that is why battle is a small percentage. I know it only human to think, well we beat them so we are better, but honestly, a crew wins or loses against a small part of another crew, not the crew itself... that is why it is a small percentage. Battling is not for a crew to get top spots, it is supposed to be in good fun, and it is designed this way so that really good battlers, cant just smash people and move right up. Rankings as specified in the guidelines, carry a certain percentage, and it is what it is. I focus on dd, war, and my individual daily goals. Which in turn raise my experience and so on, I will not pump my CC in though to try and build rank, Also keep in mind, it was right at the last rule changes to battle and war, that the crew I am in, lost its top spot so I definitely agree with alot of what is being said, with the exception of the battle stuff, there are just too many factors and variables for it to have much more worth other than fun and bragging rights, that is how I have always viewed it personally. So these are strictly my thoughts, I say all this as High8, and as far as I know my opinion but I think it might be a helpful perspective. Now fairness, do I think things are fair, absolutely not!

l don't care what score we all can end up with. James is right, it doesn't matter if 1k is a high score or 100k is a high score. lt's all the same.
What l do agree with is that the power of slot / spinner scores should be reduced so all games are equal. What l mean by that is that the highest possible spinner score should be the same as the highest possible blackjack score or any other score. So if it's possible to get a 8k spinner score it should also be possible to get a 8k blackjack (or any other game) score

I was looking for a reason to keep the spinners in the game but... I agree with Bren, kooky and Taz. Theirs a few reasons spinners need to go. Cost is one reason. If you get 2 spinners in 1 bomb it now cost 4 million. To battle/ war you need a lot more than 2 spinners to compete. Another reason spinners should go , the amount of spinners needed to battle/ war . Even after James's tweak's it's still 100 plus spinners needed per battle.

Oooh i love the idea of taking out the spinners and replacing them with a different game. I too am so tired of picking up bomb stuff. Its gotten to the point i cant even play the game because i have so much crap to collect and the sad part is i want NOTHING out of those bombs except the spinners to battle. Battles and war are the last things left in this game that I enjoy doing. It would be great if he changed it to a different game. However I don't think bingo should be that game. It would put some players at a disadvantage. If you play bingo on mobile the screens too small. You cant view all 4 of your cards at the same time like you can on computer. You can only view one and then you have to swipe to get to the other cards. So most players who use their phone cant play 4 cards at a time. If he adds a different game it needs to be one that plays the same for all players across all devices.

I totally agree with Bren that the bombs should be removed altogether and replaced with another game as it is boring doing nothing else but dropping and picking up bombs as gameplay. I probably won't do the next war as i know for a fact I will not have enough bomb spins to last 3 days, and in fact I sat out war 2 months ago for same reason. I will not come to play every day just to drop bombs anymore, I stopped that when I came back to play as it was getting boring and now I enjoy myself a lot more.

Again Birdie thank you. All the bomb parties at dbl day everyone could save those spinners for battle. Would work out well for the newbies and for players that need a little help here and there. 😀

Oh nice idea Birdie ! That would be nice . Thank you for commenting on this.

It would be nice if we could bank the spinners. Pick them up from bomb drops and choose when we use them later.

Not sure I agree with the 1000. If James can tweak 1000 then he can tweak at a higher number with less spinners. Right now the way crew scores is set up is very unfair. We go low or we go high scores smaller crews have no chance at all to keep up with the larger crews. Then have dbl xp day on top of that gives crews a lot of score. Why does xps go towards crew scores to start with ? Till all this is fixed why suffer with such low scores in battle/wars ?

I agree Bren. The amount of spinners can be relentless. When this happens it gets frustrating. When you get frustrated you either give up are stop battling. Again it's no fun when you get frustrated.

So spending 3.5 Million on 2 spinners and picking up 300 to 500 is how it works ? To receive 100 score ?

That is how casino games work. You don't hit a big win every time you spin a slot and you don't get a straight flush with every hand at poker. It would get boring quite quickly if that is how it worked.

Battles/wars. What are we getting out of battles/wars ? One thing we don't get is rewarded for time playing. We get chips back. For instance 2500 but I spent 1/2 million if not more trying to get score. Xp's are rewarded. You get that many xp's. In 5 minute dbl. Our crew has only 4 battlers. The amount of our battle / war scores goes towards our score . What's up with that ? We play it your way , it's not even being played right. The crew ranking should be wins/losses only. When Oc11 battles spinner and winners the score they get compared to what we get.....we have to battle 6 more times to get what they got for score. How fair is this ? Our scores impact things it should not impact. We're just trying to play this game the way you want us too. We ask for higher scores you don't understand why. I really do believe the only thing keeping battles alive is scoring. Who wants to score a 90 are 95 on slots ? Who wants to score 100 on spinners ? Look how much spinners cost . But you think it's right to pick up 300 to 500 spinners at 3.5 million for 2 spinners max . How fair is this. You can't see why we want something for us. For us playing this game that's not even right ( crew ranking). We're here trying to have fun. But see.....all that fun is going away.

If I have those numbers wrong I apologise I'm not at home. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you

James ,
Spinners for instant. Before they were downgraded over the citizens versus non citizen the spinners were .6667 now .5333. Why not keep them at .6667 ? Why take them down to .5333 ? After all it was that way for years now . The .6667 gave us bigger larger numbers. Those larger numbers is what I'm asking for.

Also, a lot of what everyone is describing is just the nature of how casino games work, which isn't something we can change. At the end of the day, a big portion of a gambling game comes down to luck. You might get a high score in the first 30 minutes spinning slots and then never eclipse that the rest of the day. The odds are always the same, so the time you put in has no impact on the results you get out. Again, maybe I'm not understanding the point you all are trying to make, so if that is the case please let me know so we can get this figured out and continue making improvements.

@diamonddan19 I'm not sure how you can realistically claim that we don't ever listen to any feedback or ever make any changes when just a few months ago we completely overhauled the battle and war systems based on everything the community was asking for. We have proven time and time again that we listen to your feedback and do our best to get it implemented. As for the min bet, that is already factored out. It doesn't matter what amount you bet, the scores are the same.